Just learned there's another video of that Amsterdam nodal points talk which much better audio at http://tinyurl.com/nodalpoints2
3 weeks, 4 days ago in Menlo Park, San Francisco Peninsula, USA.
14 comments so far
Thanks for sharing Jyri. Your models of social media are to me
the most relevant available right now. They are certainly
influencing the thinking at my company.
I actually think this specific talk might inspire a research
project at Twingly. By mapping 24 hours of the entire social
interaction centered around our staff and then manually deciding on
what nodal points exist, we might be able to get a clearer view of
what needs to be done to automate the identification of nodal
points. Twingly has all the data available and searchable to
automate this for our users.
Watched it through now. A nifty talk. Not bad at all.
A few years ago, I tinkered with a concept called the
knowledge quintet, or WWWWW (who what where when why)... the
work was part of one of those projects where designers and techies
try to help citizens coalesce more online.
Now that I look at it, the analogy might go something like: who
= the social network aspect of the whole, what = social objects
and/or nodal points, where = one of the key nodal points? (we seem
to be getting there soon), when = the time dimension, why =
"articial intelligence"... The funky thing was that I wanted to
make it so that all of the data was presented as URLs. So there
were knowledge quintets which always contained five urls, or
less.
Ehh. To get back to the topic: I tend to agree with Jyri (and
everyone) that open sourcing the mobile (phone) apps will surely
bring something intriguing to the table.
Great talk. We've been thinking about search vs discovery in
urban city service context for some time now and your presentation
reminded me of what Malcolm McCullough wrote about discovery and
spatial literacy in his book Digital Ground.
"Spatial literacy should not be confused with literal
signage declaring space. They are quite opposite. Whereas an
outsider who lacks local spatial literacy needs the latter for
guidance, a literate denizen reads a space from its events and its
symbols, like animal scat on the trail, and does not enjoy being
told where to turn, what exactly occurs in each place along the
road, or that a brand-name experience will protect him from
unwelcome surprises."
@miksa did you read
The Daemon yet? I wonder what
your thoughts are on the type of spatial literacy that involves the
superimposing of digital information on space.
@tommi I've been using that
red cardigan during talks because I find it easier to follow later
on video if the speaker wears something that clearly stands out
from the background :)
@tommi We are www.greyarealabs.com. Something
that I and couple of friends are lifting off the ground (slowly but
surely) while still holding our day jobs doing telecom things
(that's the slowly part). We're juggling quite a many ideas at the
moment but city services is something we've been interested for a
quite long time already.
@jyri I haven't read the
Daemon but will definitely check it out.
Superimposing digital information on space and spatial literacy
are my pet subjects. Personally, I'm interested in cities and local
neighborhoods in particular. I think the most interesting services
will be the ones that delight the user by enhancing their already
gained spatial literacy instead of trying to build it from the
ground up. In cities the natural way to discover things is to
wander around and to come across new things. It's no fun if you try
to take away the joy of discovery itself and that's why the Digital
Ground quote should be kept in mind. The key in my mind is treating
the knowledge that you already have of your neighborhood as the
social object and using the service to deepen the relationship with
it. This way you help your users to kick ass by transforming the
mundane into special.
I see future Alternative Reality Games as a really nice example
this. You superimpose a whole new layer of information on your
local neighborhood and suddenly the nooks and crannies of your city
are not quite what they used to be. Taking the game to the streets
that you already know and twisting them into something new is much
more interesting than running around in the woods looking for
clues. I for one would love to battle for the control of Töölö.
With iPhone like platforms this shouldn't be even too hard. If
anyone wants to make this happen, I'm game :)
@miksa Really like how you
put it by The key in my mind is treating the knowledge that you
already have of your neighborhood as the social object and using
the service to deepen the relationship with it. This way you help
your users to kick ass by transforming the mundane into
special. I might know people who'd be 'game'.
Btw. I think the quote above on what @miksa says is the key to a travel
guide that works. Something I've been tinkering a bit at
Turnleftguides.com They are purely off-line for the moment, but the
perspective and 'ideology' is the same. Something I'm missing
whether home or away.
Thanks @villevesterinen. Your
Turnleft guides look really nice! We've been prototyping this
perspective online with dontcommit.com. We're interested in showing
what happens in your own city. What are the everyday things that
make the city great and what people like you see and do.
14 comments so far
Thanks for sharing Jyri. Your models of social media are to me the most relevant available right now. They are certainly influencing the thinking at my company.
3 weeks, 4 days ago by martinkallstrom.
I actually think this specific talk might inspire a research project at Twingly. By mapping 24 hours of the entire social interaction centered around our staff and then manually deciding on what nodal points exist, we might be able to get a clearer view of what needs to be done to automate the identification of nodal points. Twingly has all the data available and searchable to automate this for our users.
3 weeks, 4 days ago by martinkallstrom.
The red sweater! :D
3 weeks, 3 days ago by tommi.
Watched it through now. A nifty talk. Not bad at all.
A few years ago, I tinkered with a concept called the knowledge quintet, or WWWWW (who what where when why)... the work was part of one of those projects where designers and techies try to help citizens coalesce more online.
Now that I look at it, the analogy might go something like: who = the social network aspect of the whole, what = social objects and/or nodal points, where = one of the key nodal points? (we seem to be getting there soon), when = the time dimension, why = "articial intelligence"... The funky thing was that I wanted to make it so that all of the data was presented as URLs. So there were knowledge quintets which always contained five urls, or less.
Ehh. To get back to the topic: I tend to agree with Jyri (and everyone) that open sourcing the mobile (phone) apps will surely bring something intriguing to the table.
3 weeks, 3 days ago by tommi.
Great talk. We've been thinking about search vs discovery in urban city service context for some time now and your presentation reminded me of what Malcolm McCullough wrote about discovery and spatial literacy in his book Digital Ground.
"Spatial literacy should not be confused with literal signage declaring space. They are quite opposite. Whereas an outsider who lacks local spatial literacy needs the latter for guidance, a literate denizen reads a space from its events and its symbols, like animal scat on the trail, and does not enjoy being told where to turn, what exactly occurs in each place along the road, or that a brand-name experience will protect him from unwelcome surprises."
3 weeks, 3 days ago by miksa.
@miksa - out of interest, who do you refer to by "we"?
3 weeks, 3 days ago by tommi.
@martinkallstrom if you move forward with that research project, I'd love to hear what the results were :)
3 weeks, 3 days ago by jyri.
@miksa did you read The Daemon yet? I wonder what your thoughts are on the type of spatial literacy that involves the superimposing of digital information on space.
3 weeks, 3 days ago by jyri.
@tommi I've been using that red cardigan during talks because I find it easier to follow later on video if the speaker wears something that clearly stands out from the background :)
3 weeks, 3 days ago by jyri.
@tommi We are www.greyarealabs.com. Something that I and couple of friends are lifting off the ground (slowly but surely) while still holding our day jobs doing telecom things (that's the slowly part). We're juggling quite a many ideas at the moment but city services is something we've been interested for a quite long time already.
3 weeks, 3 days ago by miksa.
@jyri I haven't read the Daemon but will definitely check it out.
Superimposing digital information on space and spatial literacy are my pet subjects. Personally, I'm interested in cities and local neighborhoods in particular. I think the most interesting services will be the ones that delight the user by enhancing their already gained spatial literacy instead of trying to build it from the ground up. In cities the natural way to discover things is to wander around and to come across new things. It's no fun if you try to take away the joy of discovery itself and that's why the Digital Ground quote should be kept in mind. The key in my mind is treating the knowledge that you already have of your neighborhood as the social object and using the service to deepen the relationship with it. This way you help your users to kick ass by transforming the mundane into special.
I see future Alternative Reality Games as a really nice example this. You superimpose a whole new layer of information on your local neighborhood and suddenly the nooks and crannies of your city are not quite what they used to be. Taking the game to the streets that you already know and twisting them into something new is much more interesting than running around in the woods looking for clues. I for one would love to battle for the control of Töölö. With iPhone like platforms this shouldn't be even too hard. If anyone wants to make this happen, I'm game :)
3 weeks, 3 days ago by miksa.
@miksa Really like how you put it by The key in my mind is treating the knowledge that you already have of your neighborhood as the social object and using the service to deepen the relationship with it. This way you help your users to kick ass by transforming the mundane into special. I might know people who'd be 'game'.
2 weeks, 5 days ago by villevesterinen.
Btw. I think the quote above on what @miksa says is the key to a travel guide that works. Something I've been tinkering a bit at Turnleftguides.com They are purely off-line for the moment, but the perspective and 'ideology' is the same. Something I'm missing whether home or away.
2 weeks, 5 days ago by villevesterinen.
Thanks @villevesterinen. Your Turnleft guides look really nice! We've been prototyping this perspective online with dontcommit.com. We're interested in showing what happens in your own city. What are the everyday things that make the city great and what people like you see and do.
2 weeks, 5 days ago by miksa.